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UB- apple trying to commit suicide ?
« on: April 12, 2008, 08:48:25 AM »

http://www.fool.com/inves...r-apple-to-buy-adobe.aspx
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« Reply #2 on: April 12, 2008, 09:11:25 AM »

Not seeing that as even a remotely unsubstantiated rumor at any of my usual  Air quotes sources Air quotes .   Wink

There's a nice fit with Flash on the iPhone.  That's not going to happen (strike that, probably not going to happen for quite a while) with Adobe doing the development.  Other than that I can't see why Apple would be interested. 

I think Apple is very aware of what they do well and that's not be all things to all people.  Here's a good read - http://blogs.zdnet.com/BTL/?p=8428 - if only for the chuckle at the recommendations which are made and the situation which even makes people think that way.  I think nobody, never mind Apple, wants to model themselves on the cluster*fudge* that is Microsoft.
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« Reply #3 on: April 12, 2008, 09:19:10 AM »

I think nobody, never mind Apple, wants to model themselves on the cluster*fudge* that is Microsoft.

LMAO Bull*feces*. If companies knew they could achieve the same kind of dominant position that Microsoft has, they'd follow the same blueprint. The only reason companies don't is because they know they'll get crushed.
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« Reply #4 on: April 12, 2008, 09:26:31 AM »

I think nobody, never mind Apple, wants to model themselves on the cluster*fudge* that is Microsoft.

LMAO Bull*feces*. If companies knew could achieve the same kind of dominant position that Microsoft has, they'd follow the same blueprint. The only reason companies don't is because they know they'll get crushed.

LMAO Read the *goshdarn* post.  I said nothing about not wanted Microsoft's dominant position in the OS market which eventually *nix (including Apple) will take.  Microsoft's dominant position is going to completely erode over the next ten years because of their disastrous blueprint.  A main reason Apple doesn't follow that blueprint is because they would lose control of the situation.  They will never, ever, license the OS while Jobs or like thinkers are in charge.  If they do, they mire in a morass of hardware/peripheral/driver support forever.

Compare the MP3 (term used loosely) market and the OS market and how the two companies have positioned themselves.  If you can't see the differences...  Don't Know
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« Reply #5 on: April 12, 2008, 09:30:44 AM »

i just dont want to have to download itunes+quicktime to watch a 30 second clip on youtube  when flash v12.3 come out .
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« Reply #6 on: April 12, 2008, 09:33:45 AM »

i just dont want to have to download itunes+quicktime to watch a 30 second clip on youtube  when flash v12.3 come out .
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How about Safari?   Wink
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 If companies knew they could achieve the same kind of dominant position that Microsoft has, they'd follow the same blueprint.

Non neccesito.
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« Reply #8 on: April 12, 2008, 09:51:12 AM »

I think nobody, never mind Apple, wants to model themselves on the cluster*fudge* that is Microsoft.

LMAO Bull*feces*. If companies knew could achieve the same kind of dominant position that Microsoft has, they'd follow the same blueprint. The only reason companies don't is because they know they'll get crushed.

LMAO Read the *goshdarn* post.  I said nothing about not wanted Microsoft's dominant position in the OS market which eventually *nix (including Apple) will take.  Microsoft's dominant position is going to completely erode over the next ten years because of their disastrous blueprint.  A main reason Apple doesn't follow that blueprint is because they would lose control of the situation.  They will never, ever, license the OS while Jobs or like thinkers are in charge.  If they do, they mire in a morass of hardware/peripheral/driver support forever.

Compare the MP3 (term used loosely) market and the OS market and how the two companies have positioned themselves.  If you can't see the differences...  Don't Know

I read your post, and it's typical Apple evangelism. My point was that if the "blueprint", even with whatever flaws that you think it has, is likely to achieve a dominant position in the market EVERY company, including Apple, would follow it. The problem is that there's no guarantee that anybody could pull it off, especially with Microsoft still around.
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« Reply #9 on: April 12, 2008, 10:08:32 AM »

I think nobody, never mind Apple, wants to model themselves on the cluster*fudge* that is Microsoft.

LMAO Bull*feces*. If companies knew could achieve the same kind of dominant position that Microsoft has, they'd follow the same blueprint. The only reason companies don't is because they know they'll get crushed.

LMAO Read the *goshdarn* post.  I said nothing about not wanted Microsoft's dominant position in the OS market which eventually *nix (including Apple) will take.  Microsoft's dominant position is going to completely erode over the next ten years because of their disastrous blueprint.  A main reason Apple doesn't follow that blueprint is because they would lose control of the situation.  They will never, ever, license the OS while Jobs or like thinkers are in charge.  If they do, they mire in a morass of hardware/peripheral/driver support forever.

Compare the MP3 (term used loosely) market and the OS market and how the two companies have positioned themselves.  If you can't see the differences...  Don't Know

I read your post, and it's typical Apple evangelism. My point was that if the "blueprint", even with whatever flaws that you think it has, is likely to achieve a dominant position in the market EVERY company, including Apple, would follow it. The problem is that there's no guarantee that anybody could pull it off, especially with Microsoft still around.

Your responses are typical MS short-sightedness.  I remember Big Blue guys saying the same sort of things in the 80s when a lean and hungry Microsoft was on the rise. 

Microsoft is a victim of earlier decisions.  Those decisions got them where they are today, no doubt about it, but in addition to really understanding a need and filling it they also benefited due to the competition being weak and/or not REALLY believing in the desktop and a decentralized computing world.  That's not the case today.  Microsoft is up to their ears in competition yet they're handcuffed by having to support a decade or two worth of applications, drivers, externals, etc.  They can't cut bait like Apple did after the Scully years.  Apple was small enough and their users were more devotees than consumers.  They were able to get away with it and start 100% from scratch.  Vista I guess was meant to be something along those lines but it is a poor imitation of such thinking.  Microsoft is stuck.  They haven't really innovated in years and they're being saved by legacy applications and the dependence of the enterprise.

It'll change.  You want to say I'm an Apple evangelist.  That's fine.  I am.  Doesn't mean I think Apple will rise to 50% of the OS market share.  Nowhere near it.  I do believe *nix will though, and beyond, and I'm lumping Apple in there.  You can see it already on campuses in a big way and the enterprise is right behind them.  We have 60 developers and 25 assorted others at my company.  Ubuntu, CentOS and Mac probably make up 80% of the dev machines.  Redhat and Solaris make up 100% of our staging and production machines (edit: I have to toss a bone to the wonderfulness which are our Exchange servers.)  The 25 assorted others are still on Windows for the most part.  I give that 2-3 years.

Microsoft needs to reinvent itself.  I haven't seen any indication that's going to happen.  And I don't see Apple or anyone else saying, "yeah, that's the ticket."  They want the revenues and success, certainly, but they're not going to follow the Microsoft route to get it. 
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« Reply #10 on: April 12, 2008, 10:14:41 AM »

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« Reply #11 on: April 12, 2008, 11:01:00 AM »

How about Safari?   Wink

I installed Safari 3.1 on Windows, it worked fine ... until you tried to load a page, then every time as soon as it was 60% loaded it would crash. lol And Firefox 3 Beta 5 blows it out of the water in terms of speed. Cool
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« Reply #12 on: April 12, 2008, 11:02:35 AM »

torpedo, isn't it time you dumped that xp pro thing in your sig?
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« Reply #13 on: April 12, 2008, 11:05:53 AM »

torpedo, isn't it time you dumped that xp pro thing in your sig?
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I've had a Ubuntu one 3/4 the way made since I installed it, I just haven't gotten around to finishing it and adding it in yet. Grin
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« Reply #14 on: April 12, 2008, 11:06:26 AM »

How about Safari?   Wink

I installed Safari 3.1 on Windows, it worked fine ... until you tried to load a page, then every time as soon as it was 60% loaded it would crash. lol And Firefox 3 Beta 5 blows it out of the water in terms of speed. Cool

Like Kevie just said, we thought to give the latest Windows version a try.  It was fine, unless you wanted to actually view a website.  What use is a browser that won't even load a page?  How did that even get released? Scratches Head
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